Posts by Marvin Shilmer

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Australian child abuse enquiry.

by notoneoftheboys in

lies and more lies.

a question was asked by the court on having someone in the room for moral support with a minor child or frightened girl when being questioned by the elders over allegations of child abuse.

the elders book makes it clear no one else is allowed.

Marvin Shilmer

Current Watchtower policy would allow someone else in the room (parent or guardian) to accompany a minor during a judicial committee meeting.

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leo greenlees and percy chapman have been exposed as practicing a gay lifestyle while serving at the world head quarters of the watchtower religion.. in this photo greenlees is at the left with glen how to his right and then nathan knorr who has chapman to his right.

i've seen this photo before many times.

it's in jim pentons book, but i never noticed greenlees left hand is holding how's right at his bottocks.. quite the gay times at bethel i'd say.. .

Marvin Shilmer

Better look again.

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Tim Horton's sucks. I thought it was supposed to be good?

by SnakesInTheTower in

jw
friends

so my wife and i went to th yesterday.

the chain started opening stores in the st. louis, mo area about a month ago.

by now the bugs should be worked out.

Marvin Shilmer

I've tried Tim Horton's in the US and Canada. Same trash in both places.

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

Marvin Shilmer

Morning Worshit

Never heard that before. Freaking hilarious!!! So true. So true!

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Is it Wrong to Doubt or Even Disagree With the GB? The Watchtower Reasoning....

by freemindfade in

this would be a good one for jw apologist who scream and panic with anyone who feels the moral direction of the wt publishing company has gone astray.

a comment at the bible highlights last night blew my mind, here is the article that was referenced.

btw this account always bothered me, remember when it was in a drama?

Marvin Shilmer

Yep! The young prophet from Judah should have seen through the older prophet. If the GB says do this, and its wrong and we go along with it, will the desert god send a lion to eat us???

I've asked many a JW about this over the years. The question boils down to whether the biblical model would have a person support/obey/follow a supposed God-appointee based on the authority the individual supposedly has as a God-appointee without regard for personal sense of right and wrong. The general consensus is that JWs should obey the GB (read: "faithful slave") because it is appointed by God, and if the GB makes a mistake in what it asks of us then we are not guilty for following that mistaken directive/teaching.

Then I ask the JW why the biblical Aaron was removed from high office and suffered premature death if not his tacit support of a mistaken act by Moses.

I ask what this biblical object lesson of Aaron and Moses tells us, if anything.

Then I get deer-in-the-headlight looks in return. Most have no response because they've been conditioned to obey the GB no matter what. They've been conditioned to accept that obedience to the GB equals obedience to God. Yet the biblical episode of Aaron and Moses categorically disputes this.

When it comes to Watchtower theology, at one point Watchtower expressed the idea that in the instance of Moses' mistaken act (at Meribah as I recall) Aaron should have acted to check Moses' actions, and because he did not then Aaron suffered loss of high office and premature death. But under current Watchtower theology for a JW (in high office or not) to act to check some mistaken act by the GB would achieve the threshold value of "apostate". (And, before I get snotty responses, by "mistaken act" I'm being gracious).

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

Marvin Shilmer

I can almost guarantee he would have cherry picked...

What? Fisherman? Cherry pick?

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Band Green Day and JWs

by hardtobeme in

a few years ago i heard of a story about two jw's being at a green day concert.

i think that the witnesses were bethelites.

the person that told me that story said that the band was about to play but they couldn't.

Marvin Shilmer

Different band; same crap rumor.

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

Marvin Shilmer

One of my bethel experiences:

Once upon a time I was asked to escort a group of JWs to and through various bethal facilities in NY. While visiting the Brooklyn facilities there was one sister who wanted to go it alone and then link back up with the group just prior to departure back to our hotel. She had a daughter and son-in-law in the Brooklyn facilities and understandably wanted to spend the day with them. My advice to her was to make sure she had at least a $100 in her pocket to make sure if she missed our departure that she'd have sufficient funds for transport back to our hotel. I'm not sure what she told her son-in-law, but he sought me out during our tour and asked why I had threatened his mother-in-law. He went on and on about being a bethel elder and proceeded to counsel me, to which I said thank you very much I have a group to attend to. He didn't like this so he found a heavy he was friends with and returned. The heavy was Fred Rusk. The son-in-law introduced Rusk to me, to which I replied "Hi Fred! Remember me?" He remembered. Rusky never said a word. He turned around in silence and marched right back from wherever he came, probably that writing correspondence desk of his where he wrote more empty words, lies and hogwash than perhaps anyone else inside. I thanked the enthusiastic son-in-law for introducing Fred, but reminded him I had a group to attend to.

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Family Reuinion and Being Disfellowshipped (sorry...but it's long)

by babygirl30 in

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friends

it has been a long looong time since i posted on here, but never ceased reading all the posts and keeping up on the changes that have been going on!

but it just seems that now i have a need to get something off my chest, and this is the one place that will most definitely understand the topic at hand.

i have been disfellowshipped for about 8yrs now, and have dealt with the 'consequences' of that decision: all my so-called friends in the org left and i was also abandoned by my own family.

Marvin Shilmer

...my one uncle was offended that my dad has the nerve to have me bring the food that he forgot, yet couldn't bring himself to even say 'thank you'.

Somewhere someone once cited a bit of text suggesting a time when natural affection would cease. (I wonder where that could be???) As I recall this bit of text was/is oft used by JWs in relation to "the world". Yet we see this utter lack of natural affection among JWs in the most simple of acts, like the one above.

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

Marvin Shilmer

And you do not get to decide.

Decide what? I certainly get to decide what my ethical position is. I certainly get to decide what my moral position is. I certainly get to decide if, when and how I respond to whatever I chose to respond to. Don't you?